The Big 'Do Averages make a difference to youth pull' Survey

mike778
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Re: The Big 'Do Averages make a difference to youth pull' Survey

Postby mike778 » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:14 pm

Three players to update

Average 46.20
Potential 25

Average 19.70
Potential 15

Average 18
Potential 16
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Re: The Big 'Do Averages make a difference to youth pull' Survey

Postby lightning » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:08 pm

Average: 36.58
Potential: 30
Actual: 15

another one with fielding potential of 20

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Re: The Big 'Do Averages make a difference to youth pull' Survey

Postby James018 » Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:04 am

Just a reminder for everyone that it would be best to post full information if at all possible: average, skill and potential in batting, bowling and fielding.

Firstly, it gives more data (for poor averages as well as good ones, which is important for comparison).

Secondly, incomplete data is a bit of a giveaway that you're only here to lament the fact that you got a substandard player, which biases the data in exactly the way this survey is supposed to avoid.

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Re: The Big 'Do Averages make a difference to youth pull' Survey

Postby Squarebear » Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:32 am

Bat 39
Bowl 39

Current skill/Potential:
Bat 7/40
Bowl 18/32
Field 1/7.

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Re: The Big 'Do Averages make a difference to youth pull' Survey

Postby mike778 » Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:30 pm

James018 wrote:Just a reminder for everyone that it would be best to post full information if at all possible: average, skill and potential in batting, bowling and fielding.

Firstly, it gives more data (for poor averages as well as good ones, which is important for comparison).

Secondly, incomplete data is a bit of a giveaway that you're only here to lament the fact that you got a substandard player, which biases the data in exactly the way this survey is supposed to avoid.


Well the original plan was to just make it for bats - all mine have been batting only. More important to get the volume to avoid skewing the stats if people just put their good and bad scouts and not the mediocre ones. Bit worried people will not bother if they have to stick the bowling and fielding in as well.
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Re: The Big 'Do Averages make a difference to youth pull' Survey

Postby rtj45 » Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:49 pm

James018 wrote:Secondly, incomplete data is a bit of a giveaway that you're only here to lament the fact that you got a substandard player, which biases the data in exactly the way this survey is supposed to avoid.


Im going to be cynical but this is the reason that this isn't going to work, people will remember to post when the scout is either terrible or terrific.
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Re: The Big 'Do Averages make a difference to youth pull' Survey

Postby conradij » Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:20 pm

rtj45 wrote:
James018 wrote:Secondly, incomplete data is a bit of a giveaway that you're only here to lament the fact that you got a substandard player, which biases the data in exactly the way this survey is supposed to avoid.


Im going to be cynical but this is the reason that this isn't going to work, people will remember to post when the scout is either terrible or terrific.


I think sharing the fielding info will help with this
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Re: The Big 'Do Averages make a difference to youth pull' Survey

Postby Odin » Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:13 am

mike778 wrote:
James018 wrote:Just a reminder for everyone that it would be best to post full information if at all possible: average, skill and potential in batting, bowling and fielding.

Firstly, it gives more data (for poor averages as well as good ones, which is important for comparison).

Secondly, incomplete data is a bit of a giveaway that you're only here to lament the fact that you got a substandard player, which biases the data in exactly the way this survey is supposed to avoid.


Well the original plan was to just make it for bats - all mine have been batting only. More important to get the volume to avoid skewing the stats if people just put their good and bad scouts and not the mediocre ones. Bit worried people will not bother if they have to stick the bowling and fielding in as well.


Clarity will help here.
Indeed the original plan was simply batting average, batting potential.
Perhaps a new thread for this, with clearer instructions? If more data is wanted, it must be clearly requested - at least then people who have followed the thread carefully will get it right. We've got until next Weds to figure out exactly what data we want, and how to collect it.

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Re: The Big 'Do Averages make a difference to youth pull' Survey

Postby liquefry » Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:57 am

If you include batting and bowling you'll get both good and bad players - unusual for a player to be both.

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Re: The Big 'Do Averages make a difference to youth pull' Survey

Postby James018 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:07 pm

The way I figure it is that batting, bowling and fielding is all likely to follow roughly the same distribution, whatever it may be. If it's what I suspect it is for batting (average usually correlates with current skill while potential is mostly random) then it's probably similar for bowling and fielding. And with enough data we could probably figure out how the averages of each compare (e.g. is a batsman who averages 50 better or worse than a bowler who averages 10).

I'd be perfectly happy with just batting data of course, but there's no reason not to collect all three as far as I'm concerned.


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