Ashes 2021-2022

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Re: Ashes 2021-2022

Postby Molle » Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:01 am

The fact that Zampa's got a first class average of 48 might have something to do with not getting picked. Starc averaging 27 at test level might have something to do with this as well. Are you going to call for M.Marsh to be included as well?

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Re: Ashes 2021-2022

Postby bumpuss » Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:15 am

Molle wrote:The fact that Zampa's got a first class average of 48 might have something to do with not getting picked. Starc averaging 27 at test level might have something to do with this as well. Are you going to call for M.Marsh to be included as well?


Since when did the selectors look at first class averages :lol:

Khawaja got dropped and easily top 6 batsmen in Australia.

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Re: Ashes 2021-2022

Postby Molle » Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:44 am

Check and mate. :lol: :lol: You've got me there. These are largely the same idiots that chose Finch and Doherty in tests so anything is possible including the moronic.

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Re: Ashes 2021-2022

Postby James018 » Tue Nov 23, 2021 10:59 am

bumpuss wrote:The "Paine incident" happened four years ago and resolved then. He was made Captain after the incident :lol:


They didn't find out about the incident until a few months later, after he had been made captain. I can see why they swept it under the carpet, the last captain had just gone in ignominious circumstances and PR-wise they couldn't afford another scandal so soon after.

Molle wrote:Check and mate. :lol: :lol: You've got me there. These are largely the same idiots that chose Finch and Doherty in tests so anything is possible including the moronic.


Actually, we've got completely different selectors now :P Well, Langer (the coach) was around when Finch was picked, admittedly. But the other two are new: George Bailey and Tony Dodemaide. Hoping they do better at picking on merit than some of our past selectors.

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Re: Ashes 2021-2022

Postby liquefry » Tue Nov 23, 2021 10:04 pm

ltraynor wrote: I always thought that he had good morals and was a world class keeper even if his batting never reached his potential. This has hit me really hard and left me pretty empty to me honest.

Totally understand this, it always hits hard when you find out that the public figure you felt like you kind of knew turns out to be different in private. In this case he behaved very poorly but it was ages ago and he has the support of his wife (the only real victim in the saga) so maybe you shouldn't judge him too hardly.
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Re: Ashes 2021-2022

Postby MOD-tonk6464 » Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:26 pm

I very much agree with James' take on the Tim Paine scandal. A disappointing state of affairs all round. :(

I would like to see Pat Cummins be the new men's Test Captain of Australia. He's an excellent cricketer, very intelligent and he seems like a good bloke. Pat also appears to be a genuine, proper leader that everyone in the team respects. Hopefully there are no hidden skeletons lurking in his closet. We don't need any more captains needing to resign in disgrace.

I would really like to see Usman Khawaja be recalled to the Test XI. He is one of the best red-ball Australian batsmen currently and a proven performer at Test level. He had a bad form slump for a period leading up to when he was last dropped from the team and I think the selectors made the right decision to drop him at the time. However, Khawaja is in great form now and there are a couple of open spots, so I think he should definitely be brought back into the team for The Ashes. His leadership experience for Queensland could be a little added bonus in assisting the new Australian captain.
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Re: Ashes 2021-2022

Postby bumpuss » Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:37 pm

I think they will pick Usman for Gabba. If he doesnt do well..then Head comes in.

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Re: Ashes 2021-2022

Postby YVRK » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:46 pm

MOD-tonk6464 wrote:I very much agree with James' take on the Tim Paine scandal. A disappointing state of affairs all round. :(

I would like to see Pat Cummins be the new men's Test Captain of Australia. He's an excellent cricketer, very intelligent and he seems like a good bloke. Pat also appears to be a genuine, proper leader that everyone in the team respects. Hopefully there are no hidden skeletons lurking in his closet. We don't need any more captains needing to resign in disgrace.

I would really like to see Usman Khawaja be recalled to the Test XI. He is one of the best red-ball Australian batsmen currently and a proven performer at Test level. He had a bad form slump for a period leading up to when he was last dropped from the team and I think the selectors made the right decision to drop him at the time. However, Khawaja is in great form now and there are a couple of open spots, so I think he should definitely be brought back into the team for The Ashes. His leadership experience for Queensland could be a little added bonus in assisting the new Australian captain.


Now of course, this preference for Khawaja is surely not because he is originally a New South Welshman :P .
Jk, I like Ussie as well and he has been in good form leading up to this Ashes. Anyways, it seems that you and James are right - Cummins is now Australia's newest test captain. Don't think that there should be any controversy surrounding that (I hope) and I think that at the very least he'll be a good role model as Aussie test captain though I hold out hope that he will dispel the bowler captain stigma - even as an Englishman going into the Ashes!

I will admit that I was surprised to see Steve Smith was appointed as his deputy. Now I do believe that his suspension was harsh given previous instances of tampering prior to sandpaper, and I don't think it's a terrible idea to have him as a deputy to give Cummins some advice (provided that the latter has the final call on decisions) but surely Australia want to blood someone new? I personally would give vice captaincy to Labuschagne, Green or Head (if he gets in) since they are the future. It also confuses me why Warner isn't allowed back while Smith is - fairly sure that they were both equally guilty and should be held to the same standard in this whole debate. I rate Warner more as a strategist than Smith anyway.

It will be interesting to see who takes the gloves for Australia since Paine has announced that he is taking a break from cricket. Carey has been in bad nick and Inglis hasn't played red ball for months.

For the English camp, it is a shame that we will have no Jofra Archer for the tests owing to his injury. I hope that Anderson will continue ageing like fine wine and have his best series yet in Australia. We also need to play Wood as our enforcer on bouncy pitches. Leach is our best spinner though him and Bess can rotate if needs be. The third specialist seamer is a bit of a question mark - Broad would be effective against the left handers and due to his mental edge over Warner, may even make him a non factor again in the series. Then again, Australia does not suit his bowling style. Robinson seams the ball well and has good height to extract something from the pitch, but is untested outside of England. I just have that feeling that he's someone who's up for a challenge and something tells me that he will cause at least one of Australia's big 3 batters a lot of trouble.
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Re: Ashes 2021-2022

Postby James018 » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:22 pm

YVRK wrote:It also confuses me why Warner isn't allowed back while Smith is - fairly sure that they were both equally guilty and should be held to the same standard in this whole debate.


My understanding from what's emerged is that Warner was the one who came up with and drove the ball-tampering plan. Smith found out about it and chose to look the other way.

Regardless, at the time, Warner was given a life ban from all leadership positions in the team. Smith got a 2-year leadership ban (including the 1 year he was banned from the team entirely) and it's now been nearly 4. Considering Cummins will need some experienced help, it makes sense - and I believe Cummins specifically requested Smith as his deputy for that reason.

YVRK wrote:For the English camp, it is a shame that we will have no Jofra Archer for the tests owing to his injury. I hope that Anderson will continue ageing like fine wine and have his best series yet in Australia. We also need to play Wood as our enforcer on bouncy pitches. Leach is our best spinner though him and Bess can rotate if needs be. The third specialist seamer is a bit of a question mark - Broad would be effective against the left handers and due to his mental edge over Warner, may even make him a non factor again in the series. Then again, Australia does not suit his bowling style. Robinson seams the ball well and has good height to extract something from the pitch, but is untested outside of England. I just have that feeling that he's someone who's up for a challenge and something tells me that he will cause at least one of Australia's big 3 batters a lot of trouble.


I think England's bowling will be very important and might decide the Ashes. Leach, or Bess if they play him, will be crucial. Foreign spinners rarely do well in Australia and we tend to go after them to relieve pressure. When they do bowl well we can struggle - that was responsible for our two series losses to India. Anderson and Broad are always quality although I don't think Broad will work Warner over the same way as he did in England - the conditions are too different. I also suspect they won't play together for most Tests, it'll be one or the other. Wood will be important as an enforcer when fit, and I'm looking forward to seeing Robinson.

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Re: Ashes 2021-2022

Postby Sanga4 » Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:29 pm

I think that it's pretty obvious what Cricket Australia are going for with regards to making Smith deputy. They want him back as captain.

Cummins is a genuine fast bowler who is Australia's bowling spearhead. As YVRK mentioned earlier, that's the most physically strenuous role possible in test cricket. He's also already 28, almost 29 which is near the end of an express pacer's physical prime. It's good that he's played basically every match since his return to test cricket but surely it is inevitable that he will have to be rested at some point . And guess who assumes captaincy duties if that happens? None other than Steven Smith.

The way I see it is that CA are putting Smith back into a position of leadership to get the public to warm to him again, and if Australia have a bad Ashes then Cummins will almost certainly get sacked as skipper. Smith gets the captaincy in that case as well.

Rather than singling out individuals, I blame CA as an organisation for creating a culture where sandpapergate could happen, then giving ridiculously over the top suspensions to their best two players + Bancroft to make it look like they were taking responsibility and having a no-tolerance policy on cheating. They then made an entire freaking documentary on rebranding the team image and all the ELITE HONESTY talk. While neglecting that their newly appointed "statesman" captain had been engaging in activities not appropriate for a leader of the test side.

And then finally when the news about Paine came out, they've continued trying to manoeuvre Smith back towards captaincy when he was the guy under whom the whole debacle started because of his poor leadership.

Of course this may just be a massive conspiracy theory but personally, I don't think that it's a matter of if Smith becomes Australia's test captain again, it's a matter of when.

I would've made Labuschagne, Head, Green or even Carey vice captain instead of Smith. At least there's some thought towards the future there.


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